Okay, by now many of you know that the Lions lost again today, but that's not what this post is about though. What do the Lions do next year, or next month, after analyzing this past season?
I had predicted that the Lions would beat the Saints and avoid becoming the first team to go win-less in a sixteen game season.
I sadly admit I was wrong and I now believe that the Lions are doomed to become the first team to go 0-16 in one season, I do not like it, but in order to avoid this stigma they would have to win in Green bay, where they haven't won in about 16 years.
The only good to come out of an 0-16 season, is hopefully a thorough house cleaning, top to bottom, New GM, Coaches, and in some cases players.
Look at the Miami Dolphins, they won one single game last year, and this year they are 10-5 and in the thick of the playoff hunt.
The main difference in Miami? Bill Parcels as President of football operations, and a new head coach. They brought in a few new players and instant success.
Could the Lions do the same? Doubtful, but I hope they can bring in the system or people to at least make them competitive. When Rod Marinelli was hired I really wanted to think he was the right guy, but he is just another in a long line of great assistant coaches who don't cut it as head coaches, but in his defense, Matt Millen didn't do anything correct as far as getting the right players, and we could be staring at another long rebuilding process before there's anything for Lions fans to cheer about.
The Offensive Line needs upgrading, as does the linebacking corps, the defensive line, and the secondary, plus we could use another wide receiver to take the pressure of Calvin Johnson, and a franchise Quarterback, but that might wait until next years draft. I think we'll have a really high pick in 2010 too, unfortunately.
Drumcoach
Sunday, December 21, 2008
Friday, December 19, 2008
Arena Football R.I.P.
While Jason and his family are down from Marquette for Christmas, I asked him to do a guest blog on any topic he wanted to write on, and here is his entry on the apparent demise of Arena Football;
Thanks Dad. As many of you are probably unaware of, last week (I think it was last week, I know I read it sometime but I'm too lazy to site my sources) the Arena Football League announced that they would be suspending the 2009 season, and while things are technically up in the air, it wouldn't surprise me if, given our current economic climate, they took several seasons off. And for a secondary sports league like the AFL, it might be too big of a task to pick up where they left off.
And it's a shame. If you've never had a chance to see a game, live or on TV, you're missing out! Billed as the '50 yard indoor war', Arena football contains enough components of football to be recognized as an offshoot, but enough differences to be a completely different entity.
Former NFL MVP Kurt Warner started out anonymously in the AFL. Now he is a member of the Arizona Cardinals, which means he is even more anonymous now than he was with the Iowa Barnstormers, or whatever team he was with.
Some of the major differences are (all these differences are taken from arenafootball.com)- 50 yard field, indoor padded surface (which is pretty cool, because the sideline tickets are really SIDELINE tickets), 8 players on the field at a time, 1 receiver allowed forward motion, NO PUNTING (it's illegal...not sure if it's punishable by law, but it is definitely illegal), and passes thrown off the netting are live balls and count as a reception if they caught before touching the ground. Passes off the boards are also considered live, and anything caught off a rebound from the boards counts as a catch. But probably the coolest part of all- the fieldgoal rebound nets. One time when we went and saw the Detroit Drive (our last Detroit Football Champ), George LaFrance took a missed field goal off of the rebound nets back for a touchdown. Way cool!
Is there anyway that the Lions can cancel their 2009 season?
If you are a fan of the forward pass, then you should love Arena football. It is not uncommon for a quarterback to throw 7 TD passes in a game and lose. Games in the 60's are common. It's a completely different style of football, packaged differently and everything. I can't say that I've followed it over the years, so I guess that I'm probably to blame for the league going under...or maybe my narcissism is just rearing its ugly head. I will miss it though.
Probably my fondest AFL memory is the time when we went to a game that some of the Drive players were supposed to be signing autographs before the game. Well, you might not know this about my family, but we don't really know our way around Detroit. We're not really 'street'...we're just studio gangsters. Anyways, it wasn't that we got lost, we just weren't sure where to find the Drive players. So my dad asks this tall, well dressed, athletic young man...who we come to find out is Andre Ware!
Hey if Dan Orlvosky can't go on Sunday, maybe we could get Heisman Andre to suit up...
Now this is before Andre was a dud, and I was about 12 or so, so this was a big deal...I remember being shocked and awed by the presence of an NFL football player- this was huge! He signed a piece of paper for me, and I instantly became a part of Andre Nation...at least, until he started taking snaps for the Lions. Then I swore an oath that I would never again utter the name 'Andre Ware'. We also met Lomas Brown, who is one of the biggest men I have ever seen. Not quite as big as 'Andre the Giant'...more like 'Andre the Large'. Or 'Andre the Above-average'.
Fortunately, Lomas was wearing more than a speedo when we saw him.
Maybe it was a sign of the times for the AFL, that my most memorable moment came from meeting a real live NFL player. Maybe it was a sign of the times for Andre Ware that my most memorable moment from his career was meeting him at an Arena football game. But whatever the case, Arena football is gone for the foreseeable future. It will be missed. But it lives on in our hearts, our memories, and our 2nd generation video game consoles. Arena football, we spill some beer on the ground for you homie.
Photos:
Andre Giant- http://www.cwfarchives.com/Photo2.php?id=1623
Andre Ware- http://espn.go.com/abcsports/bcs/s/where/andreware.html
Detroit Drive logo- http://www.oursportscentral.com/sports/?t_id=1728
Kurt Warner- http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/afl/news/story?id=3247185
Thanks Dad. As many of you are probably unaware of, last week (I think it was last week, I know I read it sometime but I'm too lazy to site my sources) the Arena Football League announced that they would be suspending the 2009 season, and while things are technically up in the air, it wouldn't surprise me if, given our current economic climate, they took several seasons off. And for a secondary sports league like the AFL, it might be too big of a task to pick up where they left off.
And it's a shame. If you've never had a chance to see a game, live or on TV, you're missing out! Billed as the '50 yard indoor war', Arena football contains enough components of football to be recognized as an offshoot, but enough differences to be a completely different entity.
Former NFL MVP Kurt Warner started out anonymously in the AFL. Now he is a member of the Arizona Cardinals, which means he is even more anonymous now than he was with the Iowa Barnstormers, or whatever team he was with.
Some of the major differences are (all these differences are taken from arenafootball.com)- 50 yard field, indoor padded surface (which is pretty cool, because the sideline tickets are really SIDELINE tickets), 8 players on the field at a time, 1 receiver allowed forward motion, NO PUNTING (it's illegal...not sure if it's punishable by law, but it is definitely illegal), and passes thrown off the netting are live balls and count as a reception if they caught before touching the ground. Passes off the boards are also considered live, and anything caught off a rebound from the boards counts as a catch. But probably the coolest part of all- the fieldgoal rebound nets. One time when we went and saw the Detroit Drive (our last Detroit Football Champ), George LaFrance took a missed field goal off of the rebound nets back for a touchdown. Way cool!
Is there anyway that the Lions can cancel their 2009 season?
If you are a fan of the forward pass, then you should love Arena football. It is not uncommon for a quarterback to throw 7 TD passes in a game and lose. Games in the 60's are common. It's a completely different style of football, packaged differently and everything. I can't say that I've followed it over the years, so I guess that I'm probably to blame for the league going under...or maybe my narcissism is just rearing its ugly head. I will miss it though.
Probably my fondest AFL memory is the time when we went to a game that some of the Drive players were supposed to be signing autographs before the game. Well, you might not know this about my family, but we don't really know our way around Detroit. We're not really 'street'...we're just studio gangsters. Anyways, it wasn't that we got lost, we just weren't sure where to find the Drive players. So my dad asks this tall, well dressed, athletic young man...who we come to find out is Andre Ware!
Hey if Dan Orlvosky can't go on Sunday, maybe we could get Heisman Andre to suit up...
Now this is before Andre was a dud, and I was about 12 or so, so this was a big deal...I remember being shocked and awed by the presence of an NFL football player- this was huge! He signed a piece of paper for me, and I instantly became a part of Andre Nation...at least, until he started taking snaps for the Lions. Then I swore an oath that I would never again utter the name 'Andre Ware'. We also met Lomas Brown, who is one of the biggest men I have ever seen. Not quite as big as 'Andre the Giant'...more like 'Andre the Large'. Or 'Andre the Above-average'.
Fortunately, Lomas was wearing more than a speedo when we saw him.
Maybe it was a sign of the times for the AFL, that my most memorable moment came from meeting a real live NFL player. Maybe it was a sign of the times for Andre Ware that my most memorable moment from his career was meeting him at an Arena football game. But whatever the case, Arena football is gone for the foreseeable future. It will be missed. But it lives on in our hearts, our memories, and our 2nd generation video game consoles. Arena football, we spill some beer on the ground for you homie.
Photos:
Andre Giant- http://www.cwfarchives.com/Photo2.php?id=1623
Andre Ware- http://espn.go.com/abcsports/bcs/s/where/andreware.html
Detroit Drive logo- http://www.oursportscentral.com/sports/?t_id=1728
Kurt Warner- http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/afl/news/story?id=3247185
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
Friends list
This is gutsy, listing friends, but it's not what you think. This is not a "top ten" list, it's just an alphabetical list of friends that I am thinking about as Christmas nears, and the wishes I have for them this holiday season (this is much cheaper than actually buying them something.}
Al B. A very good friend, that I met while Jason was playing JV football at Bullock Creek. Al coached several years with me in the MAYFL, and goes camping with us quite often, we try and take in a few events of some sort when we can, but we haven't had a chance to do much lately.
For Christmas I hope you have lots of quality time with your grandchildren and the Red Wings win another Stanley, Cup so maybe we can enjoy a game or two together during the finals. I'll bring the popcorn.
Andy B. I met Andy when my band played at the Oscoda Air Force Base's NCO Club. Andy sat in on a few songs and ended up becoming an unofficial member of the band, who would play bass with us whenever he was able to attend a gig. I haven't seen him in years, but we keep in touch via e-mail. Andy for Christmas I hope you have a wonderful holiday with your family, and that we can get together and jam sometime soon.
Bill K. I met Bill through the band and still get together now and then, Bill has a wonderful family and is one of the nicest guys I have ever had the pleasure to play music with. For Christmas I hope you have continued blessings from God, and that your family remains close as they grow up. (Both geographically, and Spiritually.)
Carl F. Another friend I met in a band, Carl now lives in Memphis Tenn. and I hope to get down there and visit him sometime so we can check out some of the blues clubs. For Christmas I hope you and your family have time to spend together and that you have success and stability in your job.
Dave B. Actually my cousin, but also one of my good friends while growing up. Dave and I went to see "Planet of the Apes" at the drive in and I was able to watch as he came back from the concession stand and got into the wrong car, that was a hoot. For Christmas I wish you and your son peace and serenity, and blessings from God.
Dave E. A friend from work. Dave and I got off on the wrong foot, and neither of us liked working with the other until we just had a face to face and now I consider Dave to be one of my best friends and a very nice man. Dave, for Christmas I hope you and Kathy get that place in Florida and retire in leisure.
Dave T. Okay, this is a bit odd, but I met Dave by accidentally e-mailing to the wrong e-mail address. We talked baseball over the course of several days, (or weeks) before we discovered I was talking about the Tigers and he was talking about the Cubs. I have never met Dave, but we keep in touch via e-mail, and I consider him a good friend even though I wouldn't know him if we met on the street. Maybe this will be the year I make it out west to see your new location. For Christmas I hope for a Cubs vs. Tigers World Series, don't laugh, it could happen.
Dick N. A very good friend from work, that attended the same high school as I did. For Christmas I hope for an early retirement so you can catch up on Cindy's honey-do list.
Don Disco. What can I say, Don's the big old lovable guy you want in your corner if there's any trouble. He has a volatile temper, but that's what makes him fun to tease. Don for Christmas I hope you have lots of time with your daughter and that the doctor gets you on the right medication.
Dwight M. Dwight is another guy from work, and one that I have the most in common with, as far as age and life experiences, tastes in music and the goal of retiring and remaining fat and lazy, (at least that's my goal.) Dwight for Christmas I hope we can both get that early retirement.
Greg F. One of the most fun guys to work with. Greg is a big sports nut and we can discuss almost any sport as long as it's football, or baseball. Greg, for Christmas how about a Detroit Tigers American League Championship, and a .500 season for Michigan Football, (Doubtful with Coach Rod.)
Jamey H. A friend from work who is off with a knee injury. Jamey is a fun loving guy who I miss working with, but I know he's better off not being subjected to the BS that goes on at the MPC. Jamey, for Christmas I hope Rita gets that early retirement so she can be there to make sure you do what you're supposed to do while she's working, on second thought maybe not. Merry Christmas anyway.
Jef P. Jef is my brother, but also my best friend, that is why he's on this list. Jef is an excellent guitarist and writer who happens to be the biggest Tigers fan I know. Jef, for Christmas I hope for a Tigers World Series victory and that you and Sandy can get tickets for the deciding game.
Jeff W. Another friend from work who is big on sports and trivia, especially sports trivia. Jeff, for Christmas how about some quality time with your daughter and a sports almanac with all the sports info you would ever need.
Jim R. Jim is my former Pastor, fishing & golfing buddy, and the kind of man who will drop everything if someone needs a hand at anything. Jim has a great sense of humor and we got along very well. Jim, for Christmas I hope you and Nancy get to spend lots of time with your grand daughter and family, and that God's blessings continue to come your way, also a new rod and reel would be appreciated I'm sure.
John B. John and I worked together in several different buildings and shifts over the years and we always managed to have fun regardless of who the supervisor was. John has a very unique way of looking at the world and together the two of us came up with solutions to solve most of the problems facing modern society, unfortunately we didn't write anything down and I don't remember them now. John, for Christmas I hope you and your family have lots of time together and that the boys (grandsons) don't destroy anything.
John B. (a different John B.) John is another guy from work who is fun to work with and also enjoys trivia. John, for Christmas I hope you have lots of good powder for skiing, and that you have enough sick time to get you through the season.
Paul D. A former co-worker who retired in '02 and took another full time job. Paul I hope this retirement thing works out well for you, and for Christmas I hope you and Kris have continued joy in the new year.
Rob H. A special friend who I met in a band way back in the early 80's, and he remains one of my favorite guitarists to this day. Rob and I have been through a lot together over the years, and he is my best friend ever. Rob and his family have joined us on camping trips and we have attended concerts and hockey games with the wives on several occasions. Rob, for Christmas I hope you and Lana have a peaceful holiday and a wonderful new year, and a winning lotto ticket to boot.
Roland S. What can I say, he is "Verbal Redirection Man!" And the Crossword King, a very intelligent person who has a great sense of humor, I bow in the presence of his greatness, did I mention he's humble too? Roland is one of the best people to work with at the MPC, and he's a lot of fun no matter what the situation is. Roland, for Christmas I hope you have the time to spend with your family to catch up on things you missed out on while doing all that Overtime, seriously I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas and a great new year.
Tim S. Is a friend from Church and also from Bullock Creek sports, my first three children and his three children all graduated together. Tim is another of those guys who will drop everything to lend a hand, and he puts the needs of others before his own needs. Tim, for Christmas I hope you and Val have a chance to gather everyone together and can enjoy a special family Christmas, and that the Blessings of Our Lord are yours to partake of.
Al B. A very good friend, that I met while Jason was playing JV football at Bullock Creek. Al coached several years with me in the MAYFL, and goes camping with us quite often, we try and take in a few events of some sort when we can, but we haven't had a chance to do much lately.
For Christmas I hope you have lots of quality time with your grandchildren and the Red Wings win another Stanley, Cup so maybe we can enjoy a game or two together during the finals. I'll bring the popcorn.
Andy B. I met Andy when my band played at the Oscoda Air Force Base's NCO Club. Andy sat in on a few songs and ended up becoming an unofficial member of the band, who would play bass with us whenever he was able to attend a gig. I haven't seen him in years, but we keep in touch via e-mail. Andy for Christmas I hope you have a wonderful holiday with your family, and that we can get together and jam sometime soon.
Bill K. I met Bill through the band and still get together now and then, Bill has a wonderful family and is one of the nicest guys I have ever had the pleasure to play music with. For Christmas I hope you have continued blessings from God, and that your family remains close as they grow up. (Both geographically, and Spiritually.)
Carl F. Another friend I met in a band, Carl now lives in Memphis Tenn. and I hope to get down there and visit him sometime so we can check out some of the blues clubs. For Christmas I hope you and your family have time to spend together and that you have success and stability in your job.
Dave B. Actually my cousin, but also one of my good friends while growing up. Dave and I went to see "Planet of the Apes" at the drive in and I was able to watch as he came back from the concession stand and got into the wrong car, that was a hoot. For Christmas I wish you and your son peace and serenity, and blessings from God.
Dave E. A friend from work. Dave and I got off on the wrong foot, and neither of us liked working with the other until we just had a face to face and now I consider Dave to be one of my best friends and a very nice man. Dave, for Christmas I hope you and Kathy get that place in Florida and retire in leisure.
Dave T. Okay, this is a bit odd, but I met Dave by accidentally e-mailing to the wrong e-mail address. We talked baseball over the course of several days, (or weeks) before we discovered I was talking about the Tigers and he was talking about the Cubs. I have never met Dave, but we keep in touch via e-mail, and I consider him a good friend even though I wouldn't know him if we met on the street. Maybe this will be the year I make it out west to see your new location. For Christmas I hope for a Cubs vs. Tigers World Series, don't laugh, it could happen.
Dick N. A very good friend from work, that attended the same high school as I did. For Christmas I hope for an early retirement so you can catch up on Cindy's honey-do list.
Don Disco. What can I say, Don's the big old lovable guy you want in your corner if there's any trouble. He has a volatile temper, but that's what makes him fun to tease. Don for Christmas I hope you have lots of time with your daughter and that the doctor gets you on the right medication.
Dwight M. Dwight is another guy from work, and one that I have the most in common with, as far as age and life experiences, tastes in music and the goal of retiring and remaining fat and lazy, (at least that's my goal.) Dwight for Christmas I hope we can both get that early retirement.
Greg F. One of the most fun guys to work with. Greg is a big sports nut and we can discuss almost any sport as long as it's football, or baseball. Greg, for Christmas how about a Detroit Tigers American League Championship, and a .500 season for Michigan Football, (Doubtful with Coach Rod.)
Jamey H. A friend from work who is off with a knee injury. Jamey is a fun loving guy who I miss working with, but I know he's better off not being subjected to the BS that goes on at the MPC. Jamey, for Christmas I hope Rita gets that early retirement so she can be there to make sure you do what you're supposed to do while she's working, on second thought maybe not. Merry Christmas anyway.
Jef P. Jef is my brother, but also my best friend, that is why he's on this list. Jef is an excellent guitarist and writer who happens to be the biggest Tigers fan I know. Jef, for Christmas I hope for a Tigers World Series victory and that you and Sandy can get tickets for the deciding game.
Jeff W. Another friend from work who is big on sports and trivia, especially sports trivia. Jeff, for Christmas how about some quality time with your daughter and a sports almanac with all the sports info you would ever need.
Jim R. Jim is my former Pastor, fishing & golfing buddy, and the kind of man who will drop everything if someone needs a hand at anything. Jim has a great sense of humor and we got along very well. Jim, for Christmas I hope you and Nancy get to spend lots of time with your grand daughter and family, and that God's blessings continue to come your way, also a new rod and reel would be appreciated I'm sure.
John B. John and I worked together in several different buildings and shifts over the years and we always managed to have fun regardless of who the supervisor was. John has a very unique way of looking at the world and together the two of us came up with solutions to solve most of the problems facing modern society, unfortunately we didn't write anything down and I don't remember them now. John, for Christmas I hope you and your family have lots of time together and that the boys (grandsons) don't destroy anything.
John B. (a different John B.) John is another guy from work who is fun to work with and also enjoys trivia. John, for Christmas I hope you have lots of good powder for skiing, and that you have enough sick time to get you through the season.
Paul D. A former co-worker who retired in '02 and took another full time job. Paul I hope this retirement thing works out well for you, and for Christmas I hope you and Kris have continued joy in the new year.
Rob H. A special friend who I met in a band way back in the early 80's, and he remains one of my favorite guitarists to this day. Rob and I have been through a lot together over the years, and he is my best friend ever. Rob and his family have joined us on camping trips and we have attended concerts and hockey games with the wives on several occasions. Rob, for Christmas I hope you and Lana have a peaceful holiday and a wonderful new year, and a winning lotto ticket to boot.
Roland S. What can I say, he is "Verbal Redirection Man!" And the Crossword King, a very intelligent person who has a great sense of humor, I bow in the presence of his greatness, did I mention he's humble too? Roland is one of the best people to work with at the MPC, and he's a lot of fun no matter what the situation is. Roland, for Christmas I hope you have the time to spend with your family to catch up on things you missed out on while doing all that Overtime, seriously I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas and a great new year.
Tim S. Is a friend from Church and also from Bullock Creek sports, my first three children and his three children all graduated together. Tim is another of those guys who will drop everything to lend a hand, and he puts the needs of others before his own needs. Tim, for Christmas I hope you and Val have a chance to gather everyone together and can enjoy a special family Christmas, and that the Blessings of Our Lord are yours to partake of.
Random thoughts, Detroit Sports Teams
Yikes! The Detroit Lions problems are spreading to the other Detroit sports teams! The Pistons are barely .500, and the Red Wings aren't the top team in the league! (Of course the Red Wings are near the top of the league, but for Red Wings fans that is simply not good enough, plus the goals against average is too high.}
I hope the Lions don't rub off on the Tigers, (sudden visual image I wish hadn't occurred) and that the Tigers return to their form of 2006, or was it 2007?
Anyway, it's Christmas and that means only one thing; Spring Training is only two months away!
{Actually Christmas means a lot to me and I don't mean to trivialize it. It is the time to celebrate the birth of Christ, and in doing so gathering with family and friends.}
But, the Lions ineptness appears to be infecting the other teams in the Detroit area and this has to stop! Maybe until this malaise is over we can refer to the other teams as the Michigan Pistons, The Michigan Tigers, or the Michigan Red Wings, but then Michigan isn't doing that well either. How about the Mid West Tigers? Nah, doesn't sound right.
How about the Los Angeles Pistons that play in Detroit? Or the Boston Tigers who reside in Comerica Park?
This may be solved by a Lions victory in one of the remaining two games. The Saints are coming to town next Sunday and that appears to be the most viable chance for a Lions victory, but finally getting a win in Green Bay isn't beyond the realm of possibility. Or is it? After all, with Favre in New York, the Packers could be had, well maybe, these are the Lions we're talking about.
How nice would a two game win streak be to end the Millen/Marinelli era?
Drumcoach
I hope the Lions don't rub off on the Tigers, (sudden visual image I wish hadn't occurred) and that the Tigers return to their form of 2006, or was it 2007?
Anyway, it's Christmas and that means only one thing; Spring Training is only two months away!
{Actually Christmas means a lot to me and I don't mean to trivialize it. It is the time to celebrate the birth of Christ, and in doing so gathering with family and friends.}
But, the Lions ineptness appears to be infecting the other teams in the Detroit area and this has to stop! Maybe until this malaise is over we can refer to the other teams as the Michigan Pistons, The Michigan Tigers, or the Michigan Red Wings, but then Michigan isn't doing that well either. How about the Mid West Tigers? Nah, doesn't sound right.
How about the Los Angeles Pistons that play in Detroit? Or the Boston Tigers who reside in Comerica Park?
This may be solved by a Lions victory in one of the remaining two games. The Saints are coming to town next Sunday and that appears to be the most viable chance for a Lions victory, but finally getting a win in Green Bay isn't beyond the realm of possibility. Or is it? After all, with Favre in New York, the Packers could be had, well maybe, these are the Lions we're talking about.
How nice would a two game win streak be to end the Millen/Marinelli era?
Drumcoach
E-mail scams
Don't send me e-mail forwards about "Bill Gates is giving away his fortune and..." or e-mails that have anything to do with any financial scheme in Nigeria, or any off shore country that promises instant riches. Don't respond to anything that promises to save you money on your medicine, and if you aren't a member of the bank or credit union sending you an alert, don't even bother to open it up.
If an e-mail is legit, and from a banking institution that you belong to, then they will have your name on file, and address you accordingly. Never respond to an e-mail link to another site, no matter how authentic it appears, and never give out any personal info.
You would think that this post was unnecessary, but I have been receiving several "get rich quick" type e-mail scams from internet savvy users, who just want to believe that they will get $240 for every e-mail they forward, or that they have won an internet sweepstakes that they never entered. That's just not going to happen.
The internet in general and e-mail in particular, can be a useful and wonderful method of maintaining contact with family and friends. But I would much prefer to hear about your family or that new job, over just forwards, and maybe, if you're a Detroit Lions Fan, you can vent over the latest loss, or speculate as to when we will get our next victory. (Next week against the Saints, no sweat it's in the bag.)
Drumcoach
If an e-mail is legit, and from a banking institution that you belong to, then they will have your name on file, and address you accordingly. Never respond to an e-mail link to another site, no matter how authentic it appears, and never give out any personal info.
You would think that this post was unnecessary, but I have been receiving several "get rich quick" type e-mail scams from internet savvy users, who just want to believe that they will get $240 for every e-mail they forward, or that they have won an internet sweepstakes that they never entered. That's just not going to happen.
The internet in general and e-mail in particular, can be a useful and wonderful method of maintaining contact with family and friends. But I would much prefer to hear about your family or that new job, over just forwards, and maybe, if you're a Detroit Lions Fan, you can vent over the latest loss, or speculate as to when we will get our next victory. (Next week against the Saints, no sweat it's in the bag.)
Drumcoach
Sunday, December 14, 2008
Auto industry bailout, flak aimed at UAW
Watching several members of Congress suggest that the UAW workers tie their compensation to that of the Japanese auto workers, why not do the same for the Big Three auto executives?
Instead of paying several million dollars in total compensation to the management teams of the big three, make sure that their compensation is in line with that of the Japanese management teams at Honda and Toyota.
I'll bet if this was to be the case that the upper management at the Big Three would never accept it.
Drumcoach
Instead of paying several million dollars in total compensation to the management teams of the big three, make sure that their compensation is in line with that of the Japanese management teams at Honda and Toyota.
I'll bet if this was to be the case that the upper management at the Big Three would never accept it.
Drumcoach
Thursday, December 11, 2008
UAW concessions
Okay, One of the main arguments over the auto industry bailout is that the UAW has not given in enough to help the auto industry. This is simply not so, the starting wage for new hires is in the $14 an hour range and it tops out at about $18 per hour. The inflated per hour wages cited by some critics of the auto bailout, who say that auto workers make $60+ per hour, omit the fact that these figures include all of the benefits as well as an average overtime estimate and pro-rated bonuses.
The UAW workers did make $25-$30 per hour at one time, and some of the older workers still earn that much, but the fact is that many concessions have already been put into place and the workers are making much less that before.
As far as addressing the pension system for former UAW workers, the Senators and Congressmen who claim that the retirees need to give up some of their "lush" pensions should look in the mirror. The pensions for elected officials is unbelievable and they are eligible after only six years in office, not to mention their extravagant health care benefits.
After spending 30+ years on an auto assembly line, these workers should not have to face the prospect of having their pension or benefits cut.
Drumcoach
The UAW workers did make $25-$30 per hour at one time, and some of the older workers still earn that much, but the fact is that many concessions have already been put into place and the workers are making much less that before.
As far as addressing the pension system for former UAW workers, the Senators and Congressmen who claim that the retirees need to give up some of their "lush" pensions should look in the mirror. The pensions for elected officials is unbelievable and they are eligible after only six years in office, not to mention their extravagant health care benefits.
After spending 30+ years on an auto assembly line, these workers should not have to face the prospect of having their pension or benefits cut.
Drumcoach
Saturday, December 6, 2008
Detroit Free Press article on the last 11 Lions drafts
From Freep.com
A look back at the last 11 years of Lions draft picks
FREE PRESS NEWS SERVICES
The winless Lions have failed to draft many players capable of being competitive in the NFL since 1998 — when Peyton Manning was drafted No. 1 — with their first-, second- and third-round selections.
Here’s a look at who the Lions took in the first three rounds over the past decade, with a note about how they panned out. They are listed in draft round order (overall selection in parentheses).
2008
1. (17) Gosder Cherilus, T, Boston College — Started season on bench, then started, then got benched, only to play again.
2. (45) Jordon Dizon, OLB, Colorado — Hasn’t cracked starting lineup despite a lack of playmakers at linebacker.
3. (64) Kevin Smith, RB, Central Florida — Ran for nearly 300 of 621 yards in three-game stretch before being held to 22 yards rushing on Thanksgiving.
3. (87) Andre Fluellen, DT, Florida State — Didn’t play until Oct. 19, but started against Tennessee.
3. (92) Cliff Avril, DE, Purdue — Has a sack in each of the last two games, but hasn’t made more than three tackles in a game.
2007
1. (2) Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech — Rising star who has scored eight times this season despite double coverage.
2. (43) Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State — Injured as a rookie, buried on the bench this season before getting concussion.
2. (58) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii — Started only one game despite the glaring need for pass-rushing ends.
2. (61) Gerald Alexander, FS, Boise State — Started every game as a rookie but has struggled to stay healthy this season.
2006
1. (9) Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State — Third-year starter whose big hits are outnumbered by missed chances.
2. (40) Daniel Bullocks, SS, Nebraska — Current starter, searching for first career interception.
3. (74) Brian Calhoun, RB, Wisconsin — Has run for 54 yards in 11 games during injury-plagued career.
2005
1. (10) Mike Williams, WR, USC — Out of the league. Scored just twice his first two years combined, then was traded and cut twice in 17 months.
2. (37) Shaun Cody, DE, USC — Career backup who enters his 50th game with 1 1/2 sacks.
3. (72) Stanley Wilson, DB, Stanford — Started a career-high five games this year, still waiting for first career interception.
2004
1. (7) Roy Williams, WR, Texas — Productive player who was traded this season to Dallas for first-, third- and sixth-round picks in April.
1. (30) Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech — Ran for 1,100-plus yards as a rookie, then failed to stay healthy and was cut in off-season and signed by Chicago as backup.
2. (37) Teddy Lehman, OLB, Oklahoma — Started 16 games as rookie but couldn’t stay healthy enough to start another game. Current Buffalo backup.
3. (73) Keith Smith, CB, McNeese State — Current Lion who started two games in each of his first two years and only once thereafter.
2003
1. (2) Charles Rogers, WR, Michigan State — Arbitrator ruled he has to give Lions $8.5 million back for diminishing his value by failing a drug test in 2005, when his promising career ended. Landed in Oakland County jail this week.
2. (34) Boss Bailey, OLB, Georgia — Started for Denver this year before a season-ending knee injury after Lions didn’t re-sign him.
3. (66) Cory Redding, DT, Texas — After re-signing for about $50 million in 2007, he had one sack last season and two this year.
2002
1. (3) Joey Harrington, QB, Oregon — Cut five times after Lions traded him two years ago, landing in New Orleans as No. 3 quarterback.
2. (35) Kalimba Edwards, DE, South Carolina — Disappointing player was re-signed in 2006 and cut two years later.
3. (68) Andre’ Goodman, DB, South Carolina — Lions didn’t need him, but Dolphins did, starting him 50-plus games the last three seasons.
2001
1. (18) Jeff Backus, T, Michigan — Matt Millen’s first draft pick has started each of the 124 games of his career.
2. (50) Dominic Raiola, C, Nebraska — Started 104 straight games before an injury sidelined him this season.
2. (61) Shaun Rogers, DT, Texas — Two-time Pro Bowler was traded last off-season for a mediocre cornerback and third-round pick.
2000
1. (20) Stockar McDougle, T, Oklahoma — Started in just two games and was in the league just two games after leaving Lions.
2. (50) Barrett Green, LB, West Virginia — As an ex-Lion, started nine games, lasted just two seasons.
3. (81) Reuben Droughns, RB, Oregon — Solid player who got away, running for 3,500-plus yards for three teams after Lions kept him for only one year.
1999
1. (9) Chris Claiborne, OLB, USC — Spotty starter for four seasons who was relevant in the league for just two more seasons as an ex-Lion.
1. (27) Aaron Gibson, T, Wisconsin — Lions got rid of him in his second year, and he started a few games in only one season thereafter.
3. (70) Jared DeVries, DE, Iowa — Rare decent pick who started 10 games this season for the second straight year.
1998
1. (20) Terry Fair, CB, Tennessee — Played in five games over four NFL seasons after four lackluster seasons with the Lions. Randy Moss was taken one pick later.
2. (50) Germane Crowell, WR, Virginia — Didn’t play for another NFL team after having one promising season and four poor or injury-riddled seasons in Detroit.
2. (60) Charlie Batch, QB, Eastern Michigan — Started 46 games over four seasons before being cut and relegated to holding a clipboard in Pittsburgh behind Ben Roethlisberger.
Drumcoach
A look back at the last 11 years of Lions draft picks
FREE PRESS NEWS SERVICES
The winless Lions have failed to draft many players capable of being competitive in the NFL since 1998 — when Peyton Manning was drafted No. 1 — with their first-, second- and third-round selections.
Here’s a look at who the Lions took in the first three rounds over the past decade, with a note about how they panned out. They are listed in draft round order (overall selection in parentheses).
2008
1. (17) Gosder Cherilus, T, Boston College — Started season on bench, then started, then got benched, only to play again.
2. (45) Jordon Dizon, OLB, Colorado — Hasn’t cracked starting lineup despite a lack of playmakers at linebacker.
3. (64) Kevin Smith, RB, Central Florida — Ran for nearly 300 of 621 yards in three-game stretch before being held to 22 yards rushing on Thanksgiving.
3. (87) Andre Fluellen, DT, Florida State — Didn’t play until Oct. 19, but started against Tennessee.
3. (92) Cliff Avril, DE, Purdue — Has a sack in each of the last two games, but hasn’t made more than three tackles in a game.
2007
1. (2) Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech — Rising star who has scored eight times this season despite double coverage.
2. (43) Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State — Injured as a rookie, buried on the bench this season before getting concussion.
2. (58) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii — Started only one game despite the glaring need for pass-rushing ends.
2. (61) Gerald Alexander, FS, Boise State — Started every game as a rookie but has struggled to stay healthy this season.
2006
1. (9) Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State — Third-year starter whose big hits are outnumbered by missed chances.
2. (40) Daniel Bullocks, SS, Nebraska — Current starter, searching for first career interception.
3. (74) Brian Calhoun, RB, Wisconsin — Has run for 54 yards in 11 games during injury-plagued career.
2005
1. (10) Mike Williams, WR, USC — Out of the league. Scored just twice his first two years combined, then was traded and cut twice in 17 months.
2. (37) Shaun Cody, DE, USC — Career backup who enters his 50th game with 1 1/2 sacks.
3. (72) Stanley Wilson, DB, Stanford — Started a career-high five games this year, still waiting for first career interception.
2004
1. (7) Roy Williams, WR, Texas — Productive player who was traded this season to Dallas for first-, third- and sixth-round picks in April.
1. (30) Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech — Ran for 1,100-plus yards as a rookie, then failed to stay healthy and was cut in off-season and signed by Chicago as backup.
2. (37) Teddy Lehman, OLB, Oklahoma — Started 16 games as rookie but couldn’t stay healthy enough to start another game. Current Buffalo backup.
3. (73) Keith Smith, CB, McNeese State — Current Lion who started two games in each of his first two years and only once thereafter.
2003
1. (2) Charles Rogers, WR, Michigan State — Arbitrator ruled he has to give Lions $8.5 million back for diminishing his value by failing a drug test in 2005, when his promising career ended. Landed in Oakland County jail this week.
2. (34) Boss Bailey, OLB, Georgia — Started for Denver this year before a season-ending knee injury after Lions didn’t re-sign him.
3. (66) Cory Redding, DT, Texas — After re-signing for about $50 million in 2007, he had one sack last season and two this year.
2002
1. (3) Joey Harrington, QB, Oregon — Cut five times after Lions traded him two years ago, landing in New Orleans as No. 3 quarterback.
2. (35) Kalimba Edwards, DE, South Carolina — Disappointing player was re-signed in 2006 and cut two years later.
3. (68) Andre’ Goodman, DB, South Carolina — Lions didn’t need him, but Dolphins did, starting him 50-plus games the last three seasons.
2001
1. (18) Jeff Backus, T, Michigan — Matt Millen’s first draft pick has started each of the 124 games of his career.
2. (50) Dominic Raiola, C, Nebraska — Started 104 straight games before an injury sidelined him this season.
2. (61) Shaun Rogers, DT, Texas — Two-time Pro Bowler was traded last off-season for a mediocre cornerback and third-round pick.
2000
1. (20) Stockar McDougle, T, Oklahoma — Started in just two games and was in the league just two games after leaving Lions.
2. (50) Barrett Green, LB, West Virginia — As an ex-Lion, started nine games, lasted just two seasons.
3. (81) Reuben Droughns, RB, Oregon — Solid player who got away, running for 3,500-plus yards for three teams after Lions kept him for only one year.
1999
1. (9) Chris Claiborne, OLB, USC — Spotty starter for four seasons who was relevant in the league for just two more seasons as an ex-Lion.
1. (27) Aaron Gibson, T, Wisconsin — Lions got rid of him in his second year, and he started a few games in only one season thereafter.
3. (70) Jared DeVries, DE, Iowa — Rare decent pick who started 10 games this season for the second straight year.
1998
1. (20) Terry Fair, CB, Tennessee — Played in five games over four NFL seasons after four lackluster seasons with the Lions. Randy Moss was taken one pick later.
2. (50) Germane Crowell, WR, Virginia — Didn’t play for another NFL team after having one promising season and four poor or injury-riddled seasons in Detroit.
2. (60) Charlie Batch, QB, Eastern Michigan — Started 46 games over four seasons before being cut and relegated to holding a clipboard in Pittsburgh behind Ben Roethlisberger.
Drumcoach
Rant: Christmas Protests
Once again a minority of atheists and other wackos are protesting against Christmas. This time in Washington State, a sign condemning Christmas and Christians, claims that religion and the belief in God is just a myth, perpetuated by people who aren't as enlightened as these atheists are.
The sign says: “Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds,”
The main problem with this sign is that it was allowed to be placed on public property (actually near a government building in Olympia Washington) next to a Nativity Scene, and near a Christmas Tree. Once again a small group of wackos won't be happy until they can make everyone follow their beliefs, or lack of beliefs.
If you don't wish to celebrate Christmas, then don't celebrate Christmas. Don't go to the stores, or listen to the radio, or watch TV until January. Better yet, just hibernate until spring, I'm sure you won't be missed by us simpletons who believe in God and celebrate Christmas.
By the way, I'm sure all of you atheists plan on working Christmas Day don't you?
Drumcoach
The sign says: “Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds,”
The main problem with this sign is that it was allowed to be placed on public property (actually near a government building in Olympia Washington) next to a Nativity Scene, and near a Christmas Tree. Once again a small group of wackos won't be happy until they can make everyone follow their beliefs, or lack of beliefs.
If you don't wish to celebrate Christmas, then don't celebrate Christmas. Don't go to the stores, or listen to the radio, or watch TV until January. Better yet, just hibernate until spring, I'm sure you won't be missed by us simpletons who believe in God and celebrate Christmas.
By the way, I'm sure all of you atheists plan on working Christmas Day don't you?
Drumcoach
Gay rights groups protest marriage ban
The gay rights groups are protesting the recent vote in some states where the so called "marriage ban" was upheld.
The fact is that the vote to keep marriage between one man and one woman has been upheld in almost every state where it has been on the ballot. The people of these states have spoken, and like it or not the majority rules!
Just because your cause was defeated does not justify these protests. You lost, get over it.
If you feel you need to be married then go ahead and get married, but don't whine and protest if the state doesn't recognize your civil union.
Protests against Church Groups will not gather any sympathy to your cause and in fact will most likely have the opposite effect.
You can continue to try and get your agenda on the ballot, but you can't force other people to accept your views if they don't agree with you.
The vast majority of people do not support Gay marriage and that is the simple fact.
It is not a question of discrimination, it is a statement of preference, and our preference is to keep marriage between a man and a woman.
Drumcoach
The fact is that the vote to keep marriage between one man and one woman has been upheld in almost every state where it has been on the ballot. The people of these states have spoken, and like it or not the majority rules!
Just because your cause was defeated does not justify these protests. You lost, get over it.
If you feel you need to be married then go ahead and get married, but don't whine and protest if the state doesn't recognize your civil union.
Protests against Church Groups will not gather any sympathy to your cause and in fact will most likely have the opposite effect.
You can continue to try and get your agenda on the ballot, but you can't force other people to accept your views if they don't agree with you.
The vast majority of people do not support Gay marriage and that is the simple fact.
It is not a question of discrimination, it is a statement of preference, and our preference is to keep marriage between a man and a woman.
Drumcoach
Thursday, December 4, 2008
Rants; more suggestions for the Lions
Here's a few random thoughts, (actually I just wanted to use the word Random), on how to make the Lions more competitive.
The Lions should petition the league to get some special considerations, like two "do-overs" a game. They could be used like a challenge, but there would be no review, they could use them when they get that false start penalty or the holding penalty that kills drives. Maybe they should get three each half, like timeouts.
Another idea, let the Lions use twelve players or maybe even thirteen players every play. Maybe than they could get a receiver open on third down or block a blitzing linebacker, and maybe they could cover that guy that's open on third and seventeen when the other team converts on their way to a score.
Have Lions field goals count for six points, seven points if they're over fifty yard attempts. Jason Hanson is their best player and he would keep them in more games this way.
Require Lion opponents to start each defensive play lying on their backs, that way the Lions might be able to block someone and get positive yardage, as long as they don't trip over the prone defenders and get hurt.
Any of your suggestions for helping the Lions are welcome.
Drumcoach
The Lions should petition the league to get some special considerations, like two "do-overs" a game. They could be used like a challenge, but there would be no review, they could use them when they get that false start penalty or the holding penalty that kills drives. Maybe they should get three each half, like timeouts.
Another idea, let the Lions use twelve players or maybe even thirteen players every play. Maybe than they could get a receiver open on third down or block a blitzing linebacker, and maybe they could cover that guy that's open on third and seventeen when the other team converts on their way to a score.
Have Lions field goals count for six points, seven points if they're over fifty yard attempts. Jason Hanson is their best player and he would keep them in more games this way.
Require Lion opponents to start each defensive play lying on their backs, that way the Lions might be able to block someone and get positive yardage, as long as they don't trip over the prone defenders and get hurt.
Any of your suggestions for helping the Lions are welcome.
Drumcoach
Rants; The Detroit Lions
Where do I begin, the Lions are a MAC team playing in the NFL, I'm not even sure they would be that competitive in the MAC, but at least they could probably beat Michigan if they were on their schedule.
Millen is gone, and that's a plus, but who do we get to take his place? It better be someone savvy enough to draft some good players. How many of the Lions draft picks are still with the team and how many are even still in the NFL?
I have been a Lions fan for as long as I can remember and I will continue to follow them even though I know they will be a bad team for years, unless we can find the next Bill Parcels or Bill Cowher.
This springs draft will be crucial, but who do we draft first? A QB? Someone to bring along at QB won't pay any dividends for at least two years, rushing a QB into a starting position before he's ready can ruin him, but if a franchise QB is available (duh,the Lions have the first pick so there should be one there) they should make the investment. However until they rebuild the offensive line and shore up the running back position not much will change.
They also need so much help on Defense, especially at LB and DB. Drafting for defense would have more of an immediate impact, but they still need to score points and the offense could help the defense out by picking up first downs late in games.
So what do they do? Did I mention that they now need a WR? Yes that's right, since they traded Roy Williams to Dallas they need to address that area as well, just not with a first round pick.
Here is what I would suggest, first pick-QB to take over in 2010 or 2011, Culpepper and Stanton or Orlovsky will be fine until then.
2nd and 3rd pick-LB or OL whichever is deemed to be the better player, whether they get a stud LB or that OT or OG that can dominate at his position these areas should be top priority.
4th and 5th pick-DB or RB, preferably a DB who can cover man to man, hopefully the "Tampa Two" is history and we can get a defensive system in place that works.
Later rounds, Now you can look for the "best athlete available" and fit them into your system, also a lot of quality WR's have been picked up in the 3rd and 4th rounds and this need should be addressed then.
Remember this all of you long suffering Detroit Lions fans, we still have the Red Wings, Tigers, and the Pistons.
Drumcoach
Millen is gone, and that's a plus, but who do we get to take his place? It better be someone savvy enough to draft some good players. How many of the Lions draft picks are still with the team and how many are even still in the NFL?
I have been a Lions fan for as long as I can remember and I will continue to follow them even though I know they will be a bad team for years, unless we can find the next Bill Parcels or Bill Cowher.
This springs draft will be crucial, but who do we draft first? A QB? Someone to bring along at QB won't pay any dividends for at least two years, rushing a QB into a starting position before he's ready can ruin him, but if a franchise QB is available (duh,the Lions have the first pick so there should be one there) they should make the investment. However until they rebuild the offensive line and shore up the running back position not much will change.
They also need so much help on Defense, especially at LB and DB. Drafting for defense would have more of an immediate impact, but they still need to score points and the offense could help the defense out by picking up first downs late in games.
So what do they do? Did I mention that they now need a WR? Yes that's right, since they traded Roy Williams to Dallas they need to address that area as well, just not with a first round pick.
Here is what I would suggest, first pick-QB to take over in 2010 or 2011, Culpepper and Stanton or Orlovsky will be fine until then.
2nd and 3rd pick-LB or OL whichever is deemed to be the better player, whether they get a stud LB or that OT or OG that can dominate at his position these areas should be top priority.
4th and 5th pick-DB or RB, preferably a DB who can cover man to man, hopefully the "Tampa Two" is history and we can get a defensive system in place that works.
Later rounds, Now you can look for the "best athlete available" and fit them into your system, also a lot of quality WR's have been picked up in the 3rd and 4th rounds and this need should be addressed then.
Remember this all of you long suffering Detroit Lions fans, we still have the Red Wings, Tigers, and the Pistons.
Drumcoach
Raves; President Elect Obama
I'm getting more excited about the coming change in our presidency every day, and whether you voted for Obama or not, he is now our President Elect, and we all need to support him.
He seems to be acting in a well thought out manner in naming his cabinet, and vows to work with both parties to try and fix our country's problems.
I hope that the partisan politics that have plagued our government over the last several years will be lessened if not completely eliminated. Of course I would have probably felt the same way if John McCain had won, since I am always optimistic after an election.
The major problems the Obama administration faces are daunting, the weak economy, the wars in Iraq and Pakistan, and of course the sad state of the Detroit Lions. I believe that the only power that can make the Lions respectable would be someone of Obama's stature, that should be his first priority, restoring the Lions to Greatness, or at least mediocrity.
Drumcoach
He seems to be acting in a well thought out manner in naming his cabinet, and vows to work with both parties to try and fix our country's problems.
I hope that the partisan politics that have plagued our government over the last several years will be lessened if not completely eliminated. Of course I would have probably felt the same way if John McCain had won, since I am always optimistic after an election.
The major problems the Obama administration faces are daunting, the weak economy, the wars in Iraq and Pakistan, and of course the sad state of the Detroit Lions. I believe that the only power that can make the Lions respectable would be someone of Obama's stature, that should be his first priority, restoring the Lions to Greatness, or at least mediocrity.
Drumcoach
Raves; Jason's Blog
My son, Jason, has a blog, (that's one of the reasons I started one) and Jason's blog is very humorous and well written. He covers all kind of topics from politics, entertainment, college life, music and being a new parent.
If you need a laugh to start your day please check it out at;
http://youshouldknowjasonparks.blogspot.com/
Thanks
Drumcoach
If you need a laugh to start your day please check it out at;
http://youshouldknowjasonparks.blogspot.com/
Thanks
Drumcoach
Government auto bailout
First post; government bailouts.
The big 3, now referred to as the "Detroit 3", are going back before Congress requesting financial help to stay solvent. Some people are proposing letting all three of the major auto manufacturing companies file for bankruptcy and then restructure. I believe this would be a mistake and the loss of thousands of jobs would be catastrophic to the economy. While I agree that the auto industry needs to make major changes to stay competitive, I don't want to see it done by cutting the wages and benefits of the hourly workers.
I know the hourly workers will have to grant some concessions, but they have given up much more than most people realize over the past few years, and the UAW is willing to do more to help save the auto industry. And no, I am not a member of the UAW or the auto industry.
The simple fact is that like most major corporations, the compensation for the top level executives is out of control and needs to be reined in. The argument that they need to pay these top level executives that much to keep them doesn't work when your company is failing, besides if these people can't manage on two or three million a year, maybe they aren't the right people to be running your company.
Trimming a CEO's total compensation from 12 plus million down to 2 or 3 million would save a lot of hourly jobs, and if the top guy is making that kind of money the tier right below him are probably making a million plus too. I would like to know how much some of these companies spend on total management compensation compared to the compensation costs for hourly workers, and there are far fewer people at the top than the people on the line actually making the product. The compensation for management should be much lower, but I bet it's closer than you think.
Car manufacturing and sales fuel our economy, and the sales tax generated from an automobile purchase far outweighs almost any other consumer purchase. Also the income tax lost from thousands of hourly workers getting laid off would be impossible to make up. Do you think the bankers and speculators on Wall Street will step up to pay more taxes? I don't think so, besides they already received their bailout and many companies planned on using the money for executive bonuses and other perks.
I know that many of my points may be an over-simplification, but the compensation disparity between management and the hourly workforce should be addressed before the bailout loan is approved.
Drumcoach
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